Optimusprime3605 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Anyone dosing po4? I've been undetectable for several months maybe even longer.If you are dosing po4, what do you use? TIA Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexinverts Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Optimusprime3605 said: Anyone dosing po4? I've been undetectable for several months maybe even longer. If you are dosing po4, what do you use? TIA Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk This is what I am using on a tank that had undetectable phosphates. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WSKKTZ6/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimusprime3605 Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Lexinverts said: This is what I am using on a tank that had undetectable phosphates. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WSKKTZ6/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Thanks Lex... How do I go about using this stuff? Mixing ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ReefBox Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Tridodium phosphate there is a good read on R2R I’ll see if I can find it and paste it here. Be careful go slow! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregonic Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I use neo phos dose 1 cap to my 5 gallon ATO every time I fill it. Fill once every 5-7 days on a red sea 170. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuncrestReef Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I can just give you some of my tank water; it has plenty of PO4, especially if I turn off my GFO reactor! 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexinverts Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Currently, I’m mixing 3.75 g of trisodium phosphate per L, with 10 ml dosed per day in my 60 gallon system. That raised my phosphate to .1 from undetectable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milesmiles902 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Lexinverts said: Currently, I’m mixing 3.75 g of trisodium phosphate per L, with 10 ml dosed per day in my 60 gallon system. That raised my phosphate to .1 from undetectable. pro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertareef Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 13 hours ago, Lexinverts said: Currently, I’m mixing 3.75 g of trisodium phosphate per L, with 10 ml dosed per day in my 60 gallon system. That raised my phosphate to .1 from undetectable. Hey Andy - just curious what you are running your nitrates at with the 0.1 phosphate level. Dodge - have you notice any ill effects from the low phosphate level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimusprime3605 Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 Currently, I’m mixing 3.75 g of trisodium phosphate per L, with 10 ml dosed per day in my 60 gallon system. That raised my phosphate to .1 from undetectable.Correct me if I am wrong, do nitrates and phosphate go hand in hand, so to speak? With No3 and no Po4, is that a bad thing and vice-versa? Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimusprime3605 Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 Hey Andy - just curious what you are running your nitrates at with the 0.1 phosphate level. Dodge - have you notice any ill effects from the low phosphate level?SeanThe only thing I've noticed with undetectable phos is, some weird brown algae type, growing on plugs and the rock work. Not too bad but definitely noticeable. Also, I've been cleaning the glass more often, whereas before, I wasn't. So, I'm thinking there is some sort of balance between No3 and Po4, idk... Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregonic Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Optimusprime3605 said: Sean The only thing I've noticed with undetectable phos is, some weird brown algae type, growing on plugs and the rock work. Not too bad but definitely noticeable. Also, I've been cleaning the glass more often, whereas before, I wasn't. So, I'm thinking there is some sort of balance between No3 and Po4, idk... Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk I started dosing phosphates because I had undetectable amount and my nitrates would never drop just hover around 15-25ppm. I could do a 20% water change and within 24hrs nitrates would be back up. I also had very little growth from corals and seemed to get cyano once every few months. Got phosphates detectable and nitrates started to drop on their own pretty fast. I am now at a point where nitrates are almost not decidable so I have started to dose them as well. Coral growth and coloration are better then ever and I find it easy to keep nitrates between 2-5ppm and phosphates between .05-.1. My algae scrubber also grows so fast now and pod population is insane. I am a firm believer in having balanced nitrates and phosphates after seeing the benefits first hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertareef Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, Optimusprime3605 said: Sean The only thing I've noticed with undetectable phos is, some weird brown algae type, growing on plugs and the rock work. Not too bad but definitely noticeable. Also, I've been cleaning the glass more often, whereas before, I wasn't. So, I'm thinking there is some sort of balance between No3 and Po4, idk... Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Yeah - this is where you get into conversations about the Redfield ratio (16:1 N:P) and the interconnectedness of it and the microbiome of sea (or tank) water. It's not completely clear but there is some evidence that keeping to this ratio fosters a proper balance of micro flora in your tank (mimicking the ocean) and deviations from it can produce "blooms" of potentially undesirable species that grow better under "imbalanced" or nutrient limited conditions. Organic's experience above is the type of observational info that supports such a relationship. It would be really interesting to add this variable to the biome analyses that Eli is offering through his new service Aquabiomics. I would hope that it (N:P ratio) would be one of the factors he might collect from those submitting samples. @EMeyer This is, obviously, interrelated with your other post about nitrates. Of course, there are a boatload of caveats here - not the least of which is the comparability of our nitrate and phosphate measurements with the elemental testing used in the Redfield studies. Still an interesting topic and one that Aquabiomics might help provide some valuable insight into... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimusprime3605 Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 I started dosing phosphates because I had undetectable amount and my nitrates would never drop just hover around 15-25ppm. I could do a 20% water change and within 24hrs nitrates would be back up. I also had very little growth from corals and seemed to get cyano once every few months. Got phosphates detectable and nitrates started to drop on their own pretty fast. I am now at a point where nitrates are almost not decidable so I have started to dose them as well. Coral growth and coloration are better then ever and I find it easy to keep nitrates between 2-5ppm and phosphates between .05-.1. My algae scrubber also grows so fast now and pod population is insane. I am a firm believer in having balanced nitrates and phosphates after seeing the benefits first hand. Outstanding!Only difference with mine is that, my trates are gobbled up quite quickly and yours sticks around. Either way, I need to dose some phos. Glad, yours turned around and is now thriving! Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimusprime3605 Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 Yeah - this is where you get into conversations about the Redfield ratio (16:1 N:P) and the interconnectedness of it and the microbiome of sea (or tank) water. It's not completely clear but there is some evidence that keeping to this ratio fosters a proper balance of micro flora in your tank (mimicking the ocean) and deviations from it can produce "blooms" of potentially undesirable species that grow better under "imbalanced" or nutrient limited conditions. Organic's experience above is the type of observational info that supports such a relationship. It would be really interesting to add this variable to the biome analyses that Eli is offering through his new service Aquabiomics. I would hope that it (N:P ratio) would be one of the factors he might collect from those submitting samples. [mention=15782]EMeyer[/mention] This is, obviously, interrelated with your other post about nitrates. Of course, there are a boatload of caveats here - not the least of which is the comparability of our nitrate and phosphate measurements with the elemental testing used in the Redfield studies. Still an interesting topic and one that Aquabiomics might help provide some valuable insight into...You lost me at "Yeah..." hahaI do need to read that article on the Redfield ratio, for sure. It's basically my comprehension of the article, I tend to wander, haha, then I lose interest...I'll give it a good read later today.Thanks for the input, Sean! Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertareef Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Optimusprime3605 said: You lost me at "Yeah..." haha I do need to read that article on the Redfield ratio, for sure. It's basically my comprehension of the article, I tend to wander, haha, then I lose interest...I'll give it a good read later today. Thanks for the input, Sean! Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk I hear you - it's a bit dense in some ways and trying to sort out the reality from the theory is challenging in the descriptions I have read through. I know Brian (PDXmonkeyboy) has spent some time looking at this topic as it's sort of up his alley. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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