vanz Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Got this from r2r http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/reef-aquarium-discussion/173226-breaking-news-usfws-notifies-aquarium-businesses-importing-listed-corals-illegal.html https://rettalbot.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/usfws-notifies-aquarium-businesses-that-importing-listed-corals-is-illegal/ USFWS Notifies Aquarium Businesses that Importing Listed Corals is Illegal Early this afternoon Eastern Standard Time, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) Office of Law Enforcement at the Port of Los Angles confirmed that wildlife inspectors were notifying aquarium trade import facilities in Southern California that it is now illegal to import any of the 20 species of coral recently listed under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). This information appears inconsistent with statements released previously by National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) saying that there would be no immediate effect of the listings on the marine aquarium trade. Several of the coral species listed are popular aquarium animals with regular imports to aquarium wholesale businesses located in Los Angeles. The announcement of the threatened listings under the ESA came in late August. Read more here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandinga Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Making it illegal to import 20 species of coral...endangered species coral... Not a huge deal IMO. There are plenty of other corals to collect, and frankly if they are endangered then they should be illegal to import. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rworegon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Unfortunately this is just the first step. Before long it will illegal to "possess" these corals. Anybody who has these corals in their tanks now will become instantly guilty of a crime. Plus trading, buying these corals, even from existing captive stock will become a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadams7 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Anyone have a list of what the 20 species are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pledosophy Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Anyone have a list of what the 20 species are? http://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/stories/2014/08/docs/corals_fact_sheet.pdf Acropora and Montipora seem to be the ones that affect us most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnesbitt Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 corals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanz Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 nevermind, looks like USFWS made a mistake. It was a miscommunication between the two agencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pledosophy Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 fortelling though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylaster Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 i believe it will come to pass that it will be illegal i think the LA guys just jumped the gun is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 What is wrong with protecting something that is endangered? I'm honestly asking. Seems to me that most people strive for to have the hobby with as little impact on the environment as possible, doesn't leaving these in the ocean further that cause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rworegon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 nevermind' date=' looks like USFWS made a mistake. It was a miscommunication between the two agencies.[/quote'] Does this mean that USFW now owes me replacement corals for the ones I flushed because someone knocked on my door and I thought it was a raid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriz2fer Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 This again? We go over this every year and nothing is ever passed. I'll worry when it happens. Even then we have a good amount of corals propagated in aquaria we should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Does this mean that USFW now owes me replacement corals for the ones I flushed because someone knocked on my door and I thought it was a raid? Yes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack-the-reefer Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I totally agree with Matty. With so much emphasis on everything sustainable in the hobby right now, what is less sustainable than dealing endangered species? At the same time, I really have a hard time picturing the USFWS performing sweeps of hobbyists' tanks to come take your frogspawn away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ReefBox Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I am in agreeance here. I think the import/export side may be effected by this at some point and rightfully so if the species are truely diminishing. I think as hobbits we have plenty of sources for getting some of the items on the list as they have been aqua cultured for long enough to meet our wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadams7 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I am in agreeance here. I think the import/export side may be effected by this at some point and rightfully so if the species are truely diminishing. I think as hobbits we have plenty of sources for getting some of the items on the list as they have been aqua cultured for long enough to meet our wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylaster Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 IMPORTANT UPDATE (1:18 PM PDT): (via Ret Talbot) NMFS has just confirmed that USFWS's actions this morning were in error! Importation of the 20 species listed below is NOT prohibited. The 20 species are: [h=3]Atlantic Waters[/h] Mycetophyllia ferox Dendrogyra cylindrus Orbicella annularis Orbicella faveolata Orbicella franksi [h=3]Pacific Waters[/h] Acropora globiceps Acropora jacquelineae Acropora lokani Acropora pharaonis Acropora retusa Acropora rudis Acropora speciosa Acropora tenella Anacropora spinosa Euphyllia paradivisa Isopora crateriformis Montipora australiensis Pavona diffluens Porites napopora Seriatopora aculeata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markvo Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Some people are paranoid about everything. I'm only worried about zombies. Have you noticed all the mentions of zombies in movies and TV? Coincidence, I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Glad to see softies, zoas are not on the list! heh.. were helping protect them by spreading them around.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pledosophy Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Our club is doing quite a bit to protect these species. It's part of what we are about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandinga Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Now planning my coral hoarding bunker. My supply list is growing and growing. Thank God for LED's, otherwise the government would find us all by tracking bulb purchases and power consumption. I'm thinking I'll have the room located behind my library wall...pull on my copy of "Journey to the End of the Night" and the lair shall be revealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefnjunkie Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 nevermind' date=' looks like USFWS made a mistake. It was a miscommunication between the two agencies.[/quote'] Implying gooberment agencies communicate, understand.....I'll stop before I start (flame) Now planning my coral hoarding bunker. My supply list is growing and growing. Thank God for LED's, otherwise the government would find us all by tracking bulb purchases and power consumption. I'm thinking I'll have the room located behind my library wall...pull on my copy of "Journey to the End of the Night" and the lair shall be revealed. I've been preparing for this for a long time-and if they knock on your door, just say you're growing some weed I'm pretty sure this ban has a lot to do with sponsors on forums attacking us collectors and infringing on their sales. I'm sure its a personal attack towards the upcoming sale thread I'm working on too 20K Lokani 30K Lokani 40k Lokani Banana Lokani I think its in my better interest to no longer refer to any acro I own by its scientific name, being big brother is always watching (scary) So,I guess its not such a bad thing to have a tank full of all those designer names now is it (laugh) no longer will a coral go by its scientific name in a sale thread (whistle) I know this ban has been discussed for years as Kris noted but it looks like they may be actually getting somewhere, I mean in 3 years they have been able to narrow the list down from 66 to 22- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefnjunkie Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Its worth noting that globiceps was a nice looking acro (clap) sure would like to have a frag of that (naughty) http://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/stories/2014/08/docs/corals_fact_sheet.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rworegon Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 That is a nice looking colony. Who's got diving gear? Oh, I didn't just say that out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackice Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You don't need dive gear. I'm no expert but I seen that acro all over Fiji it was actually one of the very vary few that was not all brown. And yes I did think about trying to bring a frag home lol (drooler) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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